I'll answer on private messages. We don't have the option. We have it in Global Masters, but not all the DC members are GM participants at the moment. Request a feature?
We're using UnitTesting for application validation for internal application development within InterSystems. If you have any specific questions, feel free to create new Questions in the D.C. and tag me, or if you would prefer a general discussion you can ask your Account Manager or Sales Engineer to set up a discussion with me.
There have also been several Global Summit presentations which have touched on the topic - not sure if you've seen these?
The first half of that should be helpful. Code coverage may be helpful too if they are able to move into a CI type BUILD infrastructure (I don't know how well Test Coverage would work in a more dynamic Dev environment as longitudinal history might be harder to maintain ... haven't really thought about that too much before...)
As a new Cache developer, I'm curious to know if TestCoverage will ever be implemented in a future release of ObjectScript in the %UnitTest framwork versus why it stands alone as in InterSystems developed OpenExchange project.
Still learning the differences between Cache, ObjectScript, all the InterSystems' applications and how it all intersects with what my company has been doing in Mumps for the past 30 years.
If I can reel back to some basics, however. Because I never really written a complex applications, my sense of testing as always been "write a little, run it, write a little run it," and usually that was in Java. It was easy to write a driver class or main method to test the code and see what was going on. I suppose in a more complex system that is always growing, you need something like this unit test framework to single out these classes to run without writing a separate driver class, or at least in this case TestManager is acting as that driver class. Am I on the write track on how to think about this?
You are most welcome. In terms of why TestCoverage was released on OpenExchange, it is something we have been exploring internally last year and wanted to share with the Community in time for Global Summit 2018. In terms of whether or not it will actually make it into product, I can't speak to that but perhaps the author @Timothy Leavitt can comment on that (I believe there were at least exploratory discussions with Product Management on this topic).
Exactly! We are actively using it internally within InterSystems - both in internal application development, and in HealthShare product development. As discussed in the video we have found incredible value in this tool for decreasing technical debt (and making sure new changes don't add to it). We thought customers might find the value in it as well.
Hello Mike, yes we have figured out how to implement unit testing in Cache. It's an excellent way to test all cases. But for the type of current work we are doing (reporting), it might be too much work. Once you get the hang of it, it's a pretty simple process. It's up to you to cover all of the test cases.
If you need help, you can just post your question here. There are a lot of Cache experts in this community that can help.
The catalyst for my initial post was simply reading the package and class documentation for %UnitTest. I noticed that whoever set up our unit testing framework here was only using the %TestCase class and %Manager class. There are many other classes in the package, and I'm trying to get a sense if we are utilize the tools in the package to the greatest extent.
The other half of it is that I'm a very new programmer (brand new pretty much) and I'm not accustom to unit tests. I'm curious to know how others do it so I can see where's there common ground and where people differ.
I'm going to watch the presentation linked above and then get back with more questions.
The %UnitTest package is designed such that each suite stands alone: it is loaded, compiled, run, and deleted, independent of any other suite. Deleting the test classes is just part of cleaning up.
You can pass the /nodelete qualifier, or even set it as a default using $system.OBJ.SetQualifiers(). Given that deletion is the default behavior, however, I suggest that you adjust your workflow accordingly. I edit XML export files directly. Some people maintain a development and test namespace, with the classes being exported from development, and imported into test.
Can anybody expain me how to create test case for various methods in a class In the documentation it is given for just one method (add) how to create your own test case for complex classes
Tagged both because maybe you created a new profile.
Interested to know if you've successfully implemented unit testing with Cache at your company. I have been assigned to work with my team on unit testing and I wanted to see how others have done it.
You can specify
/
nodelete
qualifier when you run your tests.Look at the documentation for other options.
Oh great! Thank you!
Why is it deleted as a default?
Hi Pratik! I think it makes sense to raise a new question with this.
Hi Mike!
I'll answer on private messages. We don't have the option. We have it in Global Masters, but not all the DC members are GM participants at the moment. Request a feature?
Thanks, will do!
MD
Mike,
We're using UnitTesting for application validation for internal application development within InterSystems. If you have any specific questions, feel free to create new Questions in the D.C. and tag me, or if you would prefer a general discussion you can ask your Account Manager or Sales Engineer to set up a discussion with me.
There have also been several Global Summit presentations which have touched on the topic - not sure if you've seen these?
Best,
Ben Spead
Manager, AppServices, InterSystems
Hi @Ben Spead, do you mean this one?
The first half of that should be helpful. Code coverage may be helpful too if they are able to move into a CI type BUILD infrastructure (I don't know how well Test Coverage would work in a more dynamic Dev environment as longitudinal history might be harder to maintain ... haven't really thought about that too much before...)
@Evgeny Shvarov and @Ben Spead thanks!
I will take a look at the video and get back here if I have more questions.
MD
@Ben Spead @Evgeny Shvarov
I watched the video, thank you!
As a new Cache developer, I'm curious to know if TestCoverage will ever be implemented in a future release of ObjectScript in the %UnitTest framwork versus why it stands alone as in InterSystems developed OpenExchange project.
Still learning the differences between Cache, ObjectScript, all the InterSystems' applications and how it all intersects with what my company has been doing in Mumps for the past 30 years.
If I can reel back to some basics, however. Because I never really written a complex applications, my sense of testing as always been "write a little, run it, write a little run it," and usually that was in Java. It was easy to write a driver class or main method to test the code and see what was going on. I suppose in a more complex system that is always growing, you need something like this unit test framework to single out these classes to run without writing a separate driver class, or at least in this case TestManager is acting as that driver class. Am I on the write track on how to think about this?
Thanks for everyone's help!
@Mike.Davidovich
You are most welcome. In terms of why TestCoverage was released on OpenExchange, it is something we have been exploring internally last year and wanted to share with the Community in time for Global Summit 2018. In terms of whether or not it will actually make it into product, I can't speak to that but perhaps the author @Timothy Leavitt can comment on that (I believe there were at least exploratory discussions with Product Management on this topic).
Ah, ok! That's a smart way to explore the need and interest in a feature rather than just develop and release in a vacuum.
Exactly! We are actively using it internally within InterSystems - both in internal application development, and in HealthShare product development. As discussed in the video we have found incredible value in this tool for decreasing technical debt (and making sure new changes don't add to it). We thought customers might find the value in it as well.
In my experience, code coverage measurement is useful even in development. It helps identify areas that are untested as you're writing tests.
Hello Mike, yes we have figured out how to implement unit testing in Cache. It's an excellent way to test all cases. But for the type of current work we are doing (reporting), it might be too much work. Once you get the hang of it, it's a pretty simple process. It's up to you to cover all of the test cases.
If you need help, you can just post your question here. There are a lot of Cache experts in this community that can help.
Thanks @Roberto Cahanap
The catalyst for my initial post was simply reading the package and class documentation for %UnitTest. I noticed that whoever set up our unit testing framework here was only using the %TestCase class and %Manager class. There are many other classes in the package, and I'm trying to get a sense if we are utilize the tools in the package to the greatest extent.
The other half of it is that I'm a very new programmer (brand new pretty much) and I'm not accustom to unit tests. I'm curious to know how others do it so I can see where's there common ground and where people differ.
I'm going to watch the presentation linked above and then get back with more questions.
MD
The %UnitTest package is designed such that each suite stands alone: it is loaded, compiled, run, and deleted, independent of any other suite. Deleting the test classes is just part of cleaning up.
You can pass the /nodelete qualifier, or even set it as a default using $system.OBJ.SetQualifiers(). Given that deletion is the default behavior, however, I suggest that you adjust your workflow accordingly. I edit XML export files directly. Some people maintain a development and test namespace, with the classes being exported from development, and imported into test.
I see, it was meant to be used in the QA environment.
I am using it in our DEV environment, testing bits of functions as I complete them.
Thank you.
Can anybody expain me how to create test case for various methods in a class In the documentation it is given for just one method (add) how to create your own test case for complex classes
@Roberto Cahanap @Roberto Cahanap
Tagged both because maybe you created a new profile.
Interested to know if you've successfully implemented unit testing with Cache at your company. I have been assigned to work with my team on unit testing and I wanted to see how others have done it.
Is there a way to contact people privately?